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Key figures

Charlemagne

  King Henry I
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Einion Sais

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Sir Dafydd GAM
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Sir William ap Thomas
HERBERT
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Elizabeth GWYN
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Elizabeth LLOYD     =
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Old King Cole

See also links to Coel I and Coel II

1 Coel Hen "Old King Cole" Duxbritannoum b.320(60); d.410(20) aka Coilus (III) Ancestor of wife of Brochfael Yagythrog -see Coel III King of Gododdin + Ystradwel ferch GADEON (CADFAN) b.0350 2 St Ceneu ap COEL, King of Northern Britain b.404 d.470 3 Gwrgust (Gwrast/Gurgust) Lledlwm ap Ceneu King of Rheged B~422 d.500 4 Meirchion (Merchiaun) "The Lean" GUL, King of Rheged b~438 d.535 + Essylt ferch CULYNEDD b~0440 5 Elidir (Elidyr) Lyndanwyn Ller Marini (Meryny) ap MERCHIUN King of South Rheged He was "Stout and Handsome" + Gwennllian ferch BRYCHAN dau of King of Garthmadryn (Brecheiniog or Brecknock) r.0400-d.0450 6 Llywarch Hen ap Elidyr (paternal ancestor of Rhodri the Great) 6 Cradoc fraich Fras (of the strong arm) ap LLER (Llyr) MERCHIAUN (Merini) b620, Lord of Gloucester, knight of Dolorous Tower & King Arthur's Round Table + Tegau(s) (Tegay) Ayruton, dau of King Pelynor (PYLL MAWR) 7 Cawdaf ap CRADOC, King of Ferreg b.650 8 King Caw ap CAWRDAF b.680 9 King Gloyw ap Caw b~740 10 Hoyw ap Gloyw b~740 11 Cynvarch ap Hoyw b~770 12 Cyndeg(g) ap Cynvarch b~800 13 Teithwalch ap Cyndeg b~830 14 Tegyd(d) ap Teithwalch b~860 15 Anharawd ap Tegyd b~890 16 Gwendy ap Anharawd b~920 [34] [284] [285] 17 Gwingy (Gwengy) ap Gwendy b~950 18 Hydd Hwgan ap Gwingy, Prince of Brecon b~975 19 Dryffyn ap Hwgan, Prince of Brecon b~1010 + Crusilla (Crisli) Ferch Idwal (Iago) 20 Maenyrch ap Dryffyn, Prince of Brecknock + Elinor (Elen) ferch EINION [? some genealogies insert Rhys ap Maenyrch + Joan ferch CADWGON parents of Bleddyn ap Rhys] 21 Bleddyn ap Maenyrch, Lord of Garthmadryn d~1093 + Elen Ferch Tewdr Mawr 22 Gwgon ap Bleddyn b~1060 + Gwenllian Ferch Philip 23 Trahaern ap Gwgon, Lord of Llangorse b.1095 + Gwenllian Ferch Rhys 24 Trahaearn Fychan b.Brycheiniog; d.1196/7 [some miss this step] 25 Howel (Hywel) Felyn ap Trahaearn, Lord of Llangorse b~1130 + Gwenllian Ferch Gruffudd 26 Rhys ap Hywel of Aberllyfni. Go to Rhys

 


Henry I [See Legitimate Henry I descent]


Henry I
1 Henry I, BEAUCLERC (King) of ENGLAND b.1068(70) (Selby, Yourkshire); r.1100-1135; d.1Dec1135 Rouen, Son of William the Conqueror b.1027; d.9Sep1087 + (a mistress) ??Nest (4th) ferch RHYS d<1136 Dau of Rhys ap TEWDWR (Tudor) MAWR, Prince of South Wales b.0997; d.1093 (Brecknock, Breconshire) and Gwladys ferch RHIWALLON of Powys, b~1041 Gwladys (Gwladus) was the daughter of Rhiwallon ap CYNFYN of Powys [287]. Co-ruler of Gwynedd and Powys with his Brother Bleddyn ap Cynfyn in 1063, d.1068 Rhiwallon Coat of Arms: Ermine, a lion rampant, sa. (see Blayney Room) [Although John Blayney obviously believed the Welsh Nest v. RHYS was Earl Robert's mother, Oscar Mitchell [50] has demonstrated that there is considerable doubt that Nest was the mother of Robert, Earl of Glouchester, as some records show his mother as the daughter of a citizen of Caen [50]], perhaps Sibyl, dau of Robert Corbet, burgess of Caen [614], while Crouch [615] [619]

Robert, Earl of
Gloucester
has her as the daughter of Reginald GAY(T) of Northbrook, Oxfordshire, a minor noble. Cymmrodorion [494] calls the attributing Robert's motherhood to Nest as "one of Iolo Morganwg's fabrications" [see Footnote 1], although King Henry I did father a child by her, namely Henry FITZROY or "filius regus").
] 2 Robert de Caen, b<1090 (?Caen, ?Oxfordshire) d.31Oct1147 (Bristol) "the Consul", 1st Earl of Gloucester 1122-1147, supporter of Empress Maud (Queen Matilda). The eldest of Henry's many illegitimate children (Henry had more illegitimate children than any other English king). + Mabel (Maud, Sibyl) FITZHAMON b~1090; d.1157 (both Bristol, Gloucestershire) daughter and heir of Robert Fitz Hamon, "Earl" of Gluocester, buider of Cardiff Castle (d.1107) and Sibyl de Montgomery, daughter of Roger, Earl of Shrewsbury [614]. 3 William (Meullent `Mafonache') FitzROBERT b.1121(10) (Gloucestershire); d.23Nov1183 (Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales), Earl of Gloucester 1147-83, Lord of Glamorgan Manor and Cardiff Castle, and captured from Cardiff Castle by Ivor Bach ("the Little") of Senghennydd in 1158 See Cardiff Castle photos. + Hawise DE BEAUMONT b~1131(29) (Leicester) d.24Apr1197 dau of Robert II "Bossu" de BEAUMONT and Countess Amice de Gael Waiet b.1108 (Norfolk) 4 Robert FitzWilliam b.1151 (Cardiff, Glamorganshire); d.1166 4 Hadwisa a.k.a. Avisa of Gloucester b~1152; d.1189 + Geoffrey FitzPiers, Earl of Essex de Mandeville, son of Piers de Lutegareshale and Lady Maud de Mandeville of Costow. 4 Mabel de Gloucester (see below) 4 Isabel (a.k.a. Hawise) +(1)Prince (subsequently King) John m.29Aug1189; Annulled 1189 on the grounds of consanguinity (second cousins). John tried to keep her lands after the marriage dissolved. +(2)Geoffrey FitzGeoffrey de Mandeville, 2nd Earl of Essex m.20Jan1214; d.1216 +(3)Hugh de Burgh (later Earl of Kent) m.Sep1217 4 Mabel de(of) Gloucester b~1152(5) in Tewkesbury; d.23Nov1198(3) in Normandy aka Mabel FITZROBERT de CAEN (illegitimate, so possibly not dau of Hawise, or if so, possibly illigit. dau. of Earl Robert but then married his son William [50]) + Griffith Arglwydd (Lord of) Senghenydd (Sanghenith), b.1150; d.1211 (= Gruffydd or Gruffudd ap Ifor Bach). Son of Ifor Bach ap Meurig (b.1110) and Nest vech Gruffudd (b.1114/28). 5 Hywel Felyn ap Gruffudd b.1177(94) (Senghennydd, Glamorgan, Wales) + Sara le SORE 5 Mawd ferch Gruffudd b~1180 + Hywel ap MADOG 5 Rhys ap Gruffudd b~1180 +(1)Gwerful verch HWYEL +(2)Ellen (Elleanor) ferch Rhys ap Griffith ap Rhys ap Twdwr, "the" Tewdwr (Tudor) Mawr (the Great), Prince of South Wales b~997; d.1089 in battle. 5 Nest (?=Gwenllian) ferch GRUFFUDD b.1170(8) (Senghennydd) It would appear that Gwenllian and Nest could be the same [50] [701] or this could be a confusion with the wife of Hywel ap Trahaearn ap Gwgon (see above). + Howel (Hywel) Felyn ap Trahaearn, Lord of Llangorse (Llangors), Breconshire, Wales; b.1169 [descended from Gwendy ap Anharawd] son of Trahearn ap Gwgon/Gwgan & Gwenllian/Joan ferch Rhys Hywell subsequently married Mabel m~1158, illegitimate dau of William Fitz ROBERT, Earl of Gloucester 6 Gwenllian ferch HWYEL b~1193 (Llangors, Breconshire) + Gruffudd ap Ednyfed Fychan ap Cynwrig b~1185; d.1246 6 Rees (Rhys) ap Hywel (Howel), of Aberllyfni, Breconshire; b.1200 + Catherine ferch Griffith GWYN (Catrin ferch GRUFFUDD GWYR), of Gower b~1215; dau of Gruffudd ap Cydifor b.abt 1194 Defynnog, Breconshire, Wales, and Catrin ferch Elider 7 Dafydd ap RHYS b~1226 7 Einion Sais ap RHYS, b.1230 (28, 40, 55) Pen-point-Llansbyddyd, Breconshire He was called Sais or Saxon as he was an English speaker, having fought for, then long resided in England. He returned to marry a rich heiress. His family is Welsh, descending from Caradoc Fraichfras. Note: many genealogies only list one wife as either Joan or lucy. It is not clear if these are identical, but I suspect so as they have the same father!!. There is a claim that his second marriage was to "Gwenllizn" [702] (?=Gwenllian). +(1)Joan (Jane) ferch HYWEL dau of Howell, Lord of MISCIN and Glamorganshire bringing most of what is now called the Hundred of Derynnock into the possession of Einion Sais. 8 Hywel ap EINION (see below) +(1)Lucy (Lleucu) [?=Joan] CREST ferch HYWELL b~1259; the rich heiress and dau of Hywel (Hwyel, Howel) ap MAREDUDD (Meredith) ap Caradog, Lord of Miscin in Glamorganshire and ?Ann ferch GWILYM or Joan de Turberville 8 Maredudd ap Einion b~1265 Pen-Pont, Llansbyddyd, Brecknockshire + ___ 9 Lleucu ferch MAREDUDD b~1290 8 Lleucu "GWYN" ferch EINION b~1302 (1285) Of Pen-Pont, Llansbyddyd, Brecknockshire + Owain ap Caradog b~1302 9 Owain Gethin ap Owain b~1330 8 Gruffudd ap EINION b~1283 Pen-Pont, Llansbyddyd +(2)Gwenllian (Gwenllizn) ferch Howel ap Rhys Grug 8 Rhys ap EINION b~1270 Porthgogof, Ystradfellte, Breconshire + Gladys ferch LLEWELLYN b~1265 (Senghennydd) 9 Adam ap RHYS b~1295 Porthgogof 8 Howel (Hywel) ap Einion Sais b.1281 (Llansbyddyd) d. Einon Sais Castle (Eldest). Son of Joan ferch HYWEL. + Lettice (Letis) b.1285 (1272) Lngtwgdyfrynwysg, Monmouthshire dau of Cadwaladr ap Gruffudd, Lord of Upper Gwent 9 Hywel (Howel) Fychan ap Hywel b~1304 (1318) (?Newton, Breconshire) d. in Brecknockshire + Morvydd (Alice) ferch LLEWELYN ap Howel Hen b~1300 (Castell Madog, Linfhngl Fchn) 10 Dafydd Llwyd ap Hywel Fychan b~1326 10 Ieuan ap Hywel Fychan b~1328 10 Elsbeth ferch Hywel b~1332 1344 10 Gwilym ap Hywel b~1334 10 Lleucu ap Hywel b~1336 10 Llewellyn ap HYWEL b~1330(44) (Brecon); Lord of Pen-pont near the town of Aberhonddu or Brecon + Mawd (Malt/Matilda) ferch IEUAN b~1329 (Boughrood, Elfael Is Mynydd, Radnorshire d/o Evan (Jeuan) ap Rhys (Price) ap Ivor (IORWERTH) of Elvel and Gwladys ferch Dafydd 11 Fifteen children: -Sir Dafydd "Gam" (see below), Richard, Jenkin, Hywel "y Coed", Hywel, John, Gruffudd, Morgan, Thomas, Alice, Ffelis, Gwilym, Jonet, Elen & Roger. 11 Sir Dafydd GAM ap LLEWELLYN (~1351-1415) see Sir GAM 9 Rhys ap HYWEL b~1303 Served Edward II then Lords Roger Mortimer of Wigmore then Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford; Justiciar of South Wales 1326-7 + Gwlady ferch LLYWELYN 9 Dafydd "Llwyd" Ap HYWEL b~1308 (1302) 9 Gwilym ap HYWEL b~1310 9 Bleddyn ap HYWEL b~1312 9 Gruffudd ap HYWEL b~1312 9 Adam (of Brecknock) ap Howell ap Einion Sais 10 Rees Lloyd ab Adam 11 Gwylim 12 Llewelyn of Porthgogof + Joan f Rhys ap Jenkin of Aberpergwm 13 Jenkin(s) of Penderyn [Lodge's Peerage of Ireland [707] inserts another generation here = John] 14 Lewis GWYN (~1515-1569) (Constable of Bishop's Castle) 15 Elizabeth GWYN b?1530s m?1547 + David Lloyd BLAYNEY b.1523 d.1595 16 Lewis BLAYNEY b~1548 m.1577; d.1601 (eldest son) + Bridget (Britsied) PRICE (Pryce) m.1577 ; d.1630 dau of Elizabeth MORRIS and John PRYCE of Newtown [264] s/o Matthew PRYCE & Jane ferch Llen VAUGHAN ap Sir David GAM) 17 John BLAYNEY b~1578 d.1665. + Elizabeth LLOYD b1592; m.1614; d.1662 9 Llywelyn ap HYWEL b~1306 + unknown 10 dau + Gruffudd ap Cadwgon ap Hywel Hywel was the husband of the gt-grandaughter of Prince Llywelyn ab Iorwerth 11 Meurig + Margred ferch Gruffudd 12 Hywel BLAENE [242] b~1355 (1419) This Blaene line only continued the surname for two generations + Anne ferch Meurig b~1355 Blaen Uyfni, Glamorgan (note} 13 Ieuan (FYCHAN) BLAENE b~1371 Probaby the Ieuan Blaene b~1380 Bleddyn, who married a daughter of Sir Dafydd GAM ~1400 in St. Nicholas, Glamorgan + Maud WIGMORE {probably the missing GAM daughter] Note that one Elizabeth WIGMORE, dau of Richard WIGMORE of Lugton married a John BLAYNEY of Radnorshire (Kinsham Blayney line) 100yrs later! 14 Efa BLAENE Most probably the Eva BLAYNEY, grand daughter of Hoell Blaene of Radnor (ancestor of the Evesham Blayneys) + Dafydd DDU (David DEE) 15 Bedo DEE (surnamed the Great, Standard Bearer to Lord de Ferrars, at the siege of Tournay, AD 1513) + Efa ferch Llywelyn Goch [279] 16 Rowland DEE (Gentleman Sever to Henry VIII. Sent to the Tower 1553) + Jane (Johanna) WILDER (Wild), dau. of William Wild

Dr John Dee
portrait when 67
In Oxford University
17 Dr John DEE b.13Jul1527; d.1608 (Mortlake, Surrey), Chancellor of St. Paul's and Warden of Manchester College. Close confidant and astrologer of Queen Elizabeth I [242] Noted as: coining the word Brittannia, developing a plan for the British Navy, applying Euclidean geometry to navigation, charted NE & NW Passages, founding the Rosicrucian Order and being commissioned to establish the legal foundation for British colonization of Nth America based on Prince MADOC! A "cousin" (via gr-gr-gr-grandfather Sir David GAM) of Blanche PARRY & Baron William Cecil Also a second cousin of John Blayney [350] +(1)Catherine CONSTABLE m.1575; d.1576 +(2)Jane FORMAN (Fromond) b~1555; m.5Feb1578 15 Meredudd 16 Owain 17 Y Dean DU, of Maredudd of Llananno (b~1500) [71]
Note: Glamorgan is in South Wales, the wives and children fail to match, making this Blaene family unlikely to be connected to the Blayneys from Montgomeryshire. This is confirmed by S.P. Thomas [241] and Peter C Bantrum [71]

 


Sir Dafydd GAM

1 Sir Dafydd GAM, Kt (Dafydd Ap LLEWELYN, called the "Gam" for a cast or squint in one eye); b~1351 (?65 ?71 ?79); son of Llewellyn Ap HYWEL; the template for "Fluellen" in Shakespeare's "Henry IV". d.25Oct1415, Agincourt, France in the personal defence of King Henry V who knighted his corpse. His famous death overshadows a somewhat less savory past. He had been exiled from his homeland after killing Big Richard of Slwch and was taken in by John of Gaunt, father of the future King Henry IV of England. He was later imprisoned by the Welsh for the attempted assassination of Owen Glendower (Glyndwr), who had been proclaimed King of Wales, only to be released on the fall of Glyndwr. This latter story is probably myth, with Hywel, Lord of Nannau the failed assassin and Dafydd captured because he refused to join Glyndwr. + Gwenllian ferch Gwilym b~1355(70) (Abercrai, Traean-glas, Breconshire) dau of Gwilyn ap Dafydd ap IEUAN and Tudful Ferch THOMAS or Gwilym ap Howel y Grach. 2 Morgan GAM (Gaines), b~1375 (or 1390) (Peutun, Llanddew, Breconshire) Mother may not have been Gwenllian [309] +(1)Tanglwst ferch Meredith dau of Meredith BWL GWALTER Gwilliam Llewelyn. +(2)Margred ferch Llnap Gisilym dau of Lewwlyn Gwilym Rees Lloyd ap Adam 3 Meredith 3 Gwalter of Porthgwyn +(3)unknown ferch Ien ap Dafydd HIR 2 Margred GAM b~1379(7) (Peutun, Llanddew) + Lin ap Gwilyn b~1405 2 Thomas GAM b~1381 (Peutun, Llanddew) 2 Llen Vaughan ap Sir David GAM + __ 3 Jane VAUGHAN + Matthew PRYCE (who subsequently married Jouce (Joice) ferch Evan Gwyn JAMES) [264] Matthew and Jouce had 7 children, three being linked to the Blayneys [264], namely: (a) son John PRYCE of Newtown father of Bridget PRYCE the wife of Lewis BLAYNEY b~1548 m.1577; d.1601 (b) Elizabeth PRYCE, who married Edward HERBERT of Montgomery and (c) Joyce (Jane) PRYCE, who married Owen BLAYNEY of "Gregunog", most probably Owen ap Howell ab Owen ap Howell ab Evan BLAYNEY 2 Miss (unk) ferch Davydd GAM b~1383/6 (Peutun, Llanddew) My research and that of Kevin McKenzie [145] suggest she was Maude WIGMORE + Ieuan Blaene b~1380 (1376-1386) Bleddyn; m~1400 in St. Nicholas, Glamorgan, Wales [244] [279] The son of Hywel BLAENE, an "unrelated" but short-lived Blayney line. 2 Gwladys (Gwladus) ferch Davydd GAM b~1405 (Peutun, Llanddew); d.1454 +(1)Sir Roger VAUGHAN of Bredwardine s/o Roger Hen. m.~1410 Bredwardine, Herefordshire; d.1454 at Agincourt 3 Sir Roger VAUGHAN of Tretower b.1405; d.1471 See Tretower Castle photos. Tretower castle was built by in the late 11th century by Roger Picard, enlarged & strengthened by six further generations & gifted to Roger by his half-brother William Herbert. Sir Roger Vaughan began to build a handsome stone manor house, a rarity in Wales. [299] This is now one of the "most haunted" houses in UK! [300] Known as the wealthiest 'commoner' in Wales [300]. Defeated by Jasper TUDOR (Earl of Panbroken) at Chepstow and beheaded not just for supporting Edward IV but because Roger had beheaded Jasper's father, Owen Tudor almost 10 years before after the Battle of Mortimer's Cross [298]. + Deuys (Denise) ferch Thomas ap Philip VAUGHAN of Tyle-glas (Talgarth) 4 Sir Thomas VAUGHAN of of Tretower Court (Cwmdu, Brycheiniog) b~1410; d.25Jun1483 (Pomfret) "an important and well-known historical figure - private treasurer to Edward IV and to Edward V as Prince of Wales, Chancellor to Edward V, and executed by Richard III at Pontefract Castle. He features in Shakespeare's Richard III" [145]. + Jane VERDUN (widow of Edward Blount and of Thomas Poyntz, then married Walter Devereux after her husband Thomas' execution [239]) 5 Henry Vaughan of Bacton, Herefordshire + Gwenllian ferch GRENE, dau of William ap Grene of Brecon 6 Blanche PARRY (ap Harry = son of Henry) b.1508 (Newcourt); d.1589 - Elizabeth I's governess (Chief Gentlewoman of the Privy Chamber, and Keeper of the Queen's Jewels) Considered a "cousin" of Dr John DEE [145] [4th cousin] 6 Sir Thomas Parry (ap Harry = son of Henry) alias Vaughan b<1515; d.15Dec1560 [239] (Welford) Servant of Thomas CROMWELLL, Cofferer to the Household of Elizabth I + Anne READE (dau. of William Reade of Boarstall and Anne Warham); m3.1539/40; Widow of Sir Giles Greville and of Sir Adrian Fortescue (d. 1539) 6 Alice Parry (ap Harry = son of Henry) + James WHITNEY Esq of Clifford, Herefordshire 7 Eleanor WHITNEY + Richard BULL, gent, (owned the house where playwright Christopher Marlowe was murdered/?executed in 1593, probably on Lord Burghley's order [297].) 4 Maude VAUGHAN + Philip CISSELL (CECIL) b~1400; son of Richard CISSELL 5 David CYSSELL (Syssell, Cecil) of Stamford; b<1455; d.14Sep1535/6; Senior Alderman(Mayor) in 1503, 1515 and 1525, High Sheriff 1523 & 1524 + Alice DICKENS dau of John DICKSONS of Stamford (?Sir) 6 Three children (Richard, David & John) 6 Richard CECIL d.2Mar1553 Gentleman of the Privy Chamber. Sheriff of Rutland. Custodian of Windsor Castle + Jane HECKINGTON 7 William CECIL, b.18Sep1520 (Bourne, Lincolnshire); d.4Aug1598; 1st Baron Burghley Ancestor of the CECILs of Hatfield House [145]) Lord High Treasurer ("The power behind Elizabeth") Considered a "cousin" of Dr John DEE [145] [=4th once removed] and in 1582 said his great-grandfather had married a Vaughan (Maude) [239] 3 Elizabeth VAUGHAN b. (Bredwardine) + ___ MORGAN 3 Thomas VAUGHAN d.1469 (Banbury) + Ellen "Gethin" 4 Watkin VAUGHAN b. (Hergest, Kington, Herefordshire) +(2)Sir William ap Thomas HERBERT of Raglan b~1390 (~1401); m~1421 (Bredwardine); d.1446 (Ragland Castle) "21st in line of descent from Charlemagne". [See continuation of line below]


Agincourt 1415
(Michael Cox's fictional 14 year old
Jenkin Lloyd of Tregarth)

 

 


The Prices Trenewydd
(Newtowne Hall) 1796

 

 

 

 


Tretower Castle & Court


Sir Thomas Vaughan
of Tretower


Blanche Parry
portrait



Blanche & QE I
St Mary's, Westminster



Sir Thomas Parry

 

 


William Cecil
1st Baron Burghley ~1585

 

 


 


Charlemagne


Charlemagne
1 Charlemagne Emperor of the West, King of Franks, "Charles the Great" b.2Apr742 at Ingolheim, Acceded: 768, d.28Jan814 at Aachen + Hildegarde of Vinzgau (3rd wife), b.758; m.771 Aix-la-Chapelle (Aachen); d.30Apr783 dau of Gerold 2 Pepin I, King of Italy b.Apr773 Acc.0781 d.8Jul810 (King of the Langobardians) + Bertha of Toulouse m.795 3 King Bernard of Italy b.797 Acc.812 d.17Aug0818 St. Amrosius, Mailand + Kunigunda (Cunegonde/Cunegundis Hildebrande) de Vermandois 4 Pepin II (Seigneur) Count of Peronne, b.817; d?893 + ?Peronne de Vermandois 5 Hubert I Count of Senlis, b~850 Acceded 896 d.900(2) (murdered) + Bertha (Beatrice) de Morvois 6 Herbert II of Vermandois, Count of Vermandois b~885; d.943 + Adela Hildebrande, dau of Robert I of France, King of France (West Franks) and his own niece. 7 Adalbert of Vermandois (Albert I the Pious), Count of Vermandois, b~915 d.987 + Gerberga (Gorberza) of Lorraine, dau of Gilbert of Lotharingia, Duke of Lotharingia 8 Herbert III, Count of Vermandois b~954, d~1000 + Ermengard of Bar 9 Odo (or Otho), Count of Vermandois, b~1000; d.1045 + Pavie (?de Ham, ?of Aquitaine, ?of Valois) 10 Peter of Vermandois 11 Herbert "the Chamberlain" of Winchester + Emma of Blois [dau of Count Stephen II, descendant of Charlemagne] 12 Herbert FITZ-HERBERT of Winchester b.1129; d<1155 Lord of Blaen Llyfni; Lord Chamberlain + Sibyl CORBET b~1077; d>1157; d/o Sir Robert CORBET; a mistress of King Henry I of England b.1068; d.1Dec1135 13 Herbert FITZHERBERT (II) b~1145; d<1204 [possibly a bastard of Henry I and Sibyl, hence aka Herbert FITZROY or FITZ HENRY[749]] Chamberlain to King Henry I [749] + Lucy (FitzMiles; de Gloucester) of Hereford b~1136; d>1220 [descendant of Lady Godiva] 13 Peter (Piers) Fitz-Herbert b~1163; m.1203; d.1235 + Alice FitzRobert de Warkworth [descendant of Charlemagne] 15 Sir Reginald (Raynold) FitzPeter b~1208; d.1286 + Joan de Viviona [descendant of Henry I] 16 Peter Fitzreginald, Baron of Chewton b.1275; d.1322 + Alice Broadspear [dau of Blethin Broadspear] 17 Herbert FitzPeter

Raglan Castle

Raglan Castle (click) [428]



See more photos
+ Margaret Walsh [dau of Sir John Walsh, Knt.] [??generation missing? Reginald Herbert + Alice Broadspeare] 18 Adam ap HERBERT (Fitzherbert) (or ap Reginald) + Christian DDU [d/o Gwarin DDU, the "Black Lord" of Llandilo] 19 Jenkin HERBERT (ap Adam) (Lord of Gwarindee/Gwairn) b~1316 + Gwenllian [dau of Sir Aaron ap Bleddyn] 20 Guillem (Gwilym, William) ap JENKEN (Jankyn) Lord of Gwarinddu, Master Sergeant; b~1327; d~1390 + Gwenllian ICHON [dau of Howel ICHON] 21 Sir Thomas ap Gwyllium (William) HERBERT (of Raglan Castle) b~1362(72) d.1438 + Maud (Mawd) MORLEY b~1380, sole child and heir of Sir John MORLEY. 22 (six children incl. William) Sir William ap Thomas HERBERT of Raglan b~1390 (~1401); d.1446 (Ragland Castle), 21st in line of descent from Charlemagne [see immediately below.]
  
1 Sir William ap Thomas HERBERT b~1401 (Raglan); d.1445(6);
  21st in line of descent from Charlemagne.
  Knighted 1415, purchased Raglan Manor by 1432 and then
  built Raglan Castle, Gwent.   See Raglan Castle photos.
  aka "Y Marchog Glas o Went" (The Blue Knight of Gwent)
  Steward of Abergavenny & Sheriff of Co.s Cardiganshire &
  Carmarthenshire 1435 and of Glamorgan 1440.
 +(1)Elizabeth neé BLUET d.1420; (Widow of Sir James
   Berkeley and earlier Sir Bartholomew Picot and d/o Sir
   John BLUET of Raglan and Katherine Wogan)
   [266] [267] [618]
  
  2 Joan ferch William ap Thomas
   + Richard MYNORS
    3 Five children (Alice, son, Elizabeth, son & Thomas)  
 +(2)Gwladys (Gladys) GAM b~1385 m.1421 d.1454
    Widow of Sir Roger VAUGHN and dau of Sir David (Dafydd) GAM
    The great Welsh bard, Lewys Glyn Cothi refers to her as 
    "Y seren o Efenni" (Star of Abergavenny)
 
  2 Maud ferch William ap Thomas HERBERT  b~1421; m.1439
   + Hoell BLAENE [226] or How O'ER BLAENAU  [239],
     Ancestor of the "unrelated" Evesham / Kinsham Blayneys.

  2  Sir William (de) HERBERT "1st" Earl of Pembroke 
    (of the 8th creation); b.1423 (Pembroke).
    Knighted by Henry VI in 1449. Closest advisor 
    to Edward IV who made him Baron Herbert
    of Raglan, Chepstow and Gower in 1461, for 
    his services for the House of York against
    Henry VI and the Lancastrians, he was then
    made Knight of the Garter in 1462, and in 
    1468, 1st Earl of Pembroke.
    King Edward VI commanded that Sir William
    and his brother Sir Richard take their
    surnames from their first progenator, 
    Herbert Fitz-Roy (Fitz Henry) [617] [749]


Harlech Castle
(click)
William was a leading Yorkist in the War of the Roses. The story goes that along with his brother Sir Richard Herbert, William accepted the surrender of the castle of Harlech on honourable terms from Dafydd ap Ieuan after a seven year seige. The defenders were the Men of Harlech commemorated in the song which is the "unofficial" national song of Wales. When King Edward IV wished to execute Dafydd, William is said to have offered his own life in exchange for Dafydd's rather than see his promise broken. Other histories have Sir Richard as offering his life in place of the defending Captain [607].
See more Harlech Castle photos. Sir William was deafeated at the Battle of Edgecote 26Jul1469, (where he and brother Richard "fought like men possessed"), taken prisoner and beheaded 27Jul1469 at Banbury along with Richard by order of "Warwick the King Maker" and Clarence without opportunity of ransom. Buried in Abergavenny Priory Church +(1)Maud (GRANT) TURBERVILLE ferch Adam ap HOWELL GRAUNT (Mistress) 3 Richard HERBERT b~1442; d.Sept 1510 (see below) +(2)Frond ferch HOESGYN (Mistress) 3 Sir George HERBERT b~1442 3 Sir William HERBERT of Troye b.5Mar1451; dspms.16Jul1491; 2nd Earl of Pembroke (which he resigned to allow this to be conferred on Prince Edward and was created instead Earl of Huntingdon by charter at York 4Jul1479. Justice of South Wales. +(1)Mary WOODVILLE (WYDEVILL), sister-in-law of Edward IV; b~1443; m.Sep1466; d<1481 dau of Sir Richard WYDEVILL, 1st Earl Rivers 4 Elizabeth HERBERT, (Baroness) b~1476 +(1)Catherine PLANTAGENET dau of Richard III m.1484 However she died "in her early years" +(3)Anne DEVEREUX b~1423 (C. Pembroke); m~1439/40, dau of Sir Walter Devereux William wrote to her before being executed asking her to "Pray for me, and take the said order that you promised me, as ye had in my life my heart and my love.” See Graham Turner Reverie painting of Anne 3 Maud HERBERT b.1448; d.27Jul1485 (or 28Apr1489) + Sir Henry PERCY b.1449; m~1476; d.28Apr1489 Fourth Earl of Northumberland and Lord Great Chamberlain of England for Richard III 4 Eight children: 4 Sir Henry Algemon PERCY b.14Jan1478; d.19May1527; 5th Earl of Northumberland 4 Eleanor PERCY (Duchess of Buckingham) d.1530 4 Sir Richard PERCY d.15Sep1540 4 Five others: Sir William, Allan, Josceline, Ann (m. William Arundel, 17th Earl) & Elizabeth 3 Eleven other children: William (1st Earl Huntington), Sir Walter, Sir George of St Gillians, Phillip of Lanyhangel, John, Margaret (m. Thomas Talbot, Viscount L'Isle then Sir Henry Bodringham), Thomas, Cecily (m.Lord Greystock ?Tarzan's father!??), Isabel (m. Sir Thomas Cokesey), Anne (m. John Grey, Lord Powis) & Catherine (C. of Kent, m. George Grey, Earl of Kent) [617] 3 Richard HERBERT (Sir) of Ewyas [son of Maud (GRANT) TURBERVILLE] Gentleman Usher to Henry VII, and Constable and Porter of Abergavenny Castle. b~1442; d.Sep1510. See Abergavenny Castle photos. +(1)Isabel WILLIAMS (2 children) +(2)Margaret CRADOCK -dau. of Sir Mathew CRADOCK of Swansey and Alice (Jane) MANCELL, widow of John MALEFANT. (4 children incl William) 4 Sir William HERBERT (1° Earl Pembroke, new -10th- creation); b~1506; d.17Mar1570 (London); Killed a man in a brawl, escaped to France, but returning in 1534 to become guardian of young Edward VI after death of Henry VIII in 1547 Knighted 1543; Knight of the Garter 1549; +(1)Anne PARR b.1514 (Pembroke); d.20Feb1552; a descendant of Edward III dau of Sir Thomas PARR and Maud (Matilada) GREEN [44d] and sister to Catherine PARR, the 6th wife of Henry VIII 5 William or Henry ([731]) HERBERT (2nd Earl of Pembroke); b.1534; Knight of the Garter 1574; Lord Lieutenant North and South Wales and Co.s Hereford, Salop, Somerset and Worcester; d.19Jan1601 (Wilton) +(1)Catherine GREY (arranged marriage 1553; annulled 1554) +(2)Catherine TALBOT dau of George TALBOT, 1st Earl of Rutland 6 Mary Herbert m~1635 (John CONGDON); d~1646 +(3)Mary SYDNEY b.27Oct1561 (Bewdley, Worchester); m.1577; d.25Sep1621 (London); dau of Sir Henry Sydney (thrice Lord Deputy of Ireland & Mary Dudley (dau of John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland and High Protector of England) and sister of poets Sir Philip SYDNEY & Sir Robert SYDNEY 6 William HERBERT b.8Apr1580; dsp.10Apr1630 3rd Earl of Pembroke; Chancellor of the University of Oxford, founded Pembroke College with James VI of Scotland (I of England) and patron of William Shakespeare. Masonic Grand Master (1618-1630) [609] Lord Chamberlain to King James; Knight of the Order of the Garter 1603 and possibly the young "Mr. W.H." in Shakespeare's Sonnets [616] + Lady Mary TALBOT d.1649; dau of Gilbert TALBOT, 7th Earl of Shrewsberry and Mary CAVENDISH 6 Catherine HERBERT 6 Anne HERBERT 6 Philip HERBERT b.16Oct1584; d.23Jan1649; 4th Earl of Pembroke; 1st Earl Montgomery; Knight of the Order of the Garter 1584 Baron of Shurland (Is of Sheppey) 1605 and Lord Chamberlain to Charles I. With brother William one of the "incomparable pair of brethren" to whom the First Folio of "Shakespeare's collected works" was dedicated to in 1623. Considered illiterate by Anthony Wood, and by Edmund LODGE to be cunning, "wholly without principle...his temper was furious, almost to madness, and that he was withal a notorious coward." [731] [I guess he didn't like him!] +(1)Susan de VERE b.25May1587; m.27Dec1604 dau of Edward de VERE, 17th Earl of Oxford [731] 7 Twelve children: Henry d.y., James d.y., Charles (Knight of the Bath), Philip (5th Earl & heir), William, James, John, Mary, Catherine, Anna Sophia (who m. Robert DORMER, 1st Earl of Caernarvon), Catherine & Mary (dsp). +(2)Anne CLIFFORD, only dau and heir of George CLIFFORD, 3rd Earl of Cumberland and widow of Richard Sackville, 3rd Earl of Dorset. No issue (they separated because "his conduct to her became intolerable" [731]). 5 Ann HERBERT b~1550; d.1592 5 Sir Edward HERBERT b.1547, Powis Castle; d.1593/94 (Esquire of the body to Queen Elizabeth I) 1st Baron POWIS; remained Catholic See Powis Castle photos. + Mary STANLEY m.1570 dau of Thomas STANLEY Esq of Standen "brought Catholicism into the family" [733]. 6 Eleven children (incl Joyce) +(2)Anne TALBOT b~1520; d.1588 dau of George TALBOT, 4th Earl of Shrewsbury Widow of Peter COMPTON 2 Thomas HERBERT of Greenwich, killed at Troye 2 Elizabeth HERBERT b~1427 (Raglan) + Sir Henry STRADLING b~1430; d~1451 (Cyprus) 2 Elizabeth ferch WILLIAM Ap THOMAS + Cawdgan Ap GRIFFITH DON 2 Sir Richard HERBERT of Colebrooke, Co Monmouth b~?1412/25, with brother William commanded an army of 18,000 Welshmen in the War of the Roses. It is said he offered his life to King Edward IV in place of the defender of Harlech Castle whom he had given his word to spare his life. [607] Richard was defeated at the Battle of Edgecote 26Jul1469 (where he and Sir William "fought like men possessed"), taken prisoner and beheaded at Banbury on orders of Richard, Earl of Warwick on 27Jul1469 Buried in Abergavenny Priory Church. + Margaret NICHOLAS daughter of Sir Thomas Griffith NICHOLAS (= Thomas Hynaf ap Gruffudd ap Nicholas [309]) of Carmarthen and Elizabeth (Elsbeth), dau of Sir John GRIFFITH (or Ann ap Llywelyn Fychan [266]) Margaret ferch Thomas was sister to Sir Rhys ap Thomas. Margaret ferch Thomas then married John HERLE (son of John ap William HERLE d.1437), the son of Thomas VAUGHN of Tyle Glas [see Arms in the Gregynog Blayney Room] and had Thomas HERLE b.1503, the father of Gwenllian, wife of Thomas ap Evan Lloyd BLAYNEY Margaret & Richard had 4 children, Sir William, Sir Richard, John & Thomas 3 Sir Richard HERBERT b.13Feb1470 (Colebrooke); Knighted 1513 of Tefaldwryn (Montgomery), Gentleman Usher to the Privy Chamber to Henry VIII and Steward of the Lordships and Marches of North and East Wales and Cardiganshire. "A great suppressor of rebels, thieves, and outlaws, he was just and conscionable" [607]; d.23May1539 +(1)Margaret (Margred) ferch Griffith ap Rhys ap Philip ap David of Llwynhowel Children of Richard and Margred include Sir Edward, Morgan, Richard, William of Paeke (Baliff 1537, MP 1541-44 and High Sheriff 1547 and 1559 of Montgomery), Anne & Katherine. 4 (Sir) Edward HERBERT of Montgomery Castle and Blackhall; b.1513; d.1593 Deputy-Constable of Aberystwyth Castle 1543-4, MP for Montgomeryshire 1553 and 1556-7, Sheriff of Mongomeryshire 1557 & 1558. Served at the battle of St Quentin. 1st Earl of Pembroke of the 2nd creation Esquire of the Body to Elizabeth I Renown for his hospitality with a saying in the country when a fowl rose: "Fly where thou wilt, thou wilt light at Blackhall!" [607] See MontgomeryCastle photos. + Elizabeth PRYCE dau of Matthew Goch PRYCE of Newtown 5 William HERBERT d.1593 5 Richard HERBERT of Llyssyn b~1554; d.1596; entered the Middle Temple 1576; Sheriff of Montgomeryshire 1576 & 1584, JP and Member of Parliament (for Montgomery) 1585-6 + Magdalen NEWPORT m.1598; d.1627; dau of Sir Richard Newport (d.1570) of High Ercall, Sheriff of Shropshire & Margaret Bromley [268] Friend and sponsor of Dr John Donne [607]] [Remarried 1608 to Sir John DANVERS] 6 Sir Edward HERBERT 1st Baron Herbert of Cherbury; (Shropshire); b.3Mar1583; d.10Aug1648; soldier, philosopher [265] historian, composer and ambassador to the French Court (1619-24) under King James I; Magistrate and Sheriff and Created Lord Herbert 1629; Neutral in the Civil War. Author of Life of Edward, Lord Herbert of Cherbury, one of the earliest English language autobiographies, as well as other books and poems [608]. + Mary HERBERT (his cousin) b~1578; m.28Feb1599; d.13May1634; d/o Sir William HERBERT of St Gillians 7 Richard HERBERT 2nd Lord/Baron Herbert of Cherbury b~1600; d.13May1655; soldier, MP for Montgomeryshire in the Short Parliament, & for the borough in the Long. Successively Governor of Bridgnorth (1642), Ludlow & Commander of Aberystwyth Castle (1644) + Mary EGERTON, d/o John EGERTON 1st Earl of Bridgewater. 8 Nine children (Edward=3rd Lord, Henry=4th Lord, Frances, Florence, Alicia, John (d.y.), Captain Henry, Thomas (d unm) and Arabell (d unm) 7 Edward HERBERT 7 Beatrice HERBERT 7 Florence HERBERT (d.y.) 6 Richard HERBERT d.1622 "in the wars of the Low Countries" [His body bore "the scar of four-and-twenty wounds" [607]] 6 William HERBERT d. "in the wars of the Low Countries" Also renown for his courage. 6 Charles HERBERT -Fellow of the New College in Oxford A Munster planter; d.1617 6 George HERBERT b.3Apr1593 (Montgomery Castle); Fifth son, named for his uncle George of New College, Oxford; Welsh poet, orator and priest - "The Sacred Poet" and author of many famous hymns eg "The King of Love My Shepherd Is". Was MP for Montgomery 1624 & 1625 then Rector of the parish of St. Andrew in Bemerton (near Salisbury) from 1630 until his death (1Mar1633) of TB (1632 [607]]) + Jane Danvers m.1629 6 Sir Henry HERBERT "menial servant to the Crown in the days of King James" b.1595, knighted 1623, Master of Revels of James I and Charles I ~1623-42 and Charles II 1660-3 (as such was responsible for licensing Shakespeare's plays), Gentleman of the Privy Chamber, High Sheriff of Worcestershire 1648 and MP for Montgomeryshire 1626 and for Bewdley 1661-73; d.27Apr1673 [145] + ___ (a wealthy lady with a large estate) 7 Henry HERBERT, 1st Lord of Chirbury d.1709 6 Captain Thomas HERBERT (7th son) b.1597; d~1642; commanded a ship under Sir Robert Mansell in the attack against Algiers [265] 1620-21 where Thomas "did there shew a fortunate and true English valour." 6 Elizabeth (m. Sir Henry Jones of Abermarlais) 6 Margaret (m. John Vaughan of Llwydiarth) 6 Frances (m. Sir John Brown of Lincolnshire) 5 Joyce HERBERT b~1564 (Llanidloes) The wooden tablet in Tregynon Church dated c 1709, recording the death of Joyce's daughter Elizabeth Lloyd erroneously refers to Joyce as "sister" (instead of aunt) of Edward 1st Lord Herbert of Cherbury [145] + Jenkin LLOYD b~1560 d.1627/8; of Berthllwyd; Sheriff of Montgomeryshire; s/o David Lloyd JENKIN and Lowry GWYNN; 1st married Dorothy WALTER b~1564 Ludlow, Shropshire, dau of Edmund Walter of Ludlow, Chief Justice of South Wales, by whom he had a large family of twelve children. His youngest child of this family (Blanche) married one Edward ap Rhys Wynn ap Griffith ap Howell ap Evan BLAYNEY After Dorothy's death Jenkin married Joyce 6 Elizabeth LLOYD b.1592; m.1614 (Llanidloes);d.1662 + John BLAYNEY Esq of Gregynog b.1591; d.1665 Also see John BLAYNEY genealogy +(2)Anne ferch David [2nd wife of Sir Richard HERBERT b.1470] [309] Children of Richard and Anne include John, William, Oliver, Richard, Anne, Dorothy aka Margaret (see below), Elizabeth & Catherine (probably she who married John PUGH and had Mallt, wife of Thomas PRICE [ap Rees], of the Aberbechan Blayneys). 4 Dorothy HERBERT aka Margaret [309] +(1)Thomas BLAYNEY ap Evan Lloyd Blayney b.1475 See their descendants here +(2)Hugh JONES 5 Evan JONES 5 Wythen JONES of Trewythen 3 Three other children of Sir Richard & Margaret (Sir William, John and Thomas) 2 Margaret HERBERT (Margaret ferch William ap Thomas) + Henry WOGAN 3 Jane WOGAN b~1443; d.11Nov1504 + Sir William PERROT b~1440 2 Olivia ferch William ap Thomas + Thomas FLEMING +(2)Margaret ABRAHALL (2nd wife of Sir William ap Thomas HERBERT b~1401) dau of Thomas ap Griffith


Sir William Ap Thomas = Herbert & Gwladus
tomb in Herbert Chapel, St. Marys Priory, Abergavenny


Sir William HERBERT
Earl of Pembroke

Graham Turner's Reverie
see Footnote 2
Shield and Arms of William HERBERT Earl of Pembroke
[Party per pale, az. and gu., three lions ramp., or.]

Bascule badge of Herbert [294]
[Maud Herbert, married Henry PERCY]
The Bascule was a device to raise a drawbrige. The more commonly known Herbert badge was the wyvern (winged serpent), which is also the crest.


Arms of the Earl of Pembroke, creation of 1551

 

Henry HERBERT
2nd Earl of Pembroke
 

Wm HERBERT
Earl of Pembroke

Mary Talbot
Countess of Pembroke
wife of Wm Herbert
 

Philip HERBERT Earl of Pembroke & Montgomery


an alabaster Margaret beside Sir Richard Herbert
Herbert Chapel, St. Marys Priory, Abergavenny


Edward Herbert
1st Baron Herbert of Chirbury


George HERBERT, Poet   [607]

References for Herberts: Also see [277], [239], and [278].

Iolo Morganwg

Footnote 1
Iolo Morganwg (or Morgannwg in modern spelling) was the bardic name of Edward Williams (1747-1826), an influential Welsh antiquarian, poet, collector, laudanum (tincture of opium) addict and literary forger. Iolo first came to public notice in 1789 by revealing some previously undiscovered poetry by Dafydd ap Gwilym, (probably the greatest Welsh poet). These poems were in fact forgeries, but survived critical attention for over a hundred years. His success lead Iolo to move to London, where he become a significant figure in the Welsh community. He went on to author some fairly substantial works (most of which are now considered forgeries).

Footnote 2
Reverie by Graham Turner. "Sitting at the window of a great castle, a fashionably dressed Lady looks up from her book, her mind clearly lost in distant thoughts. The view from the window identifies the setting as the Great tower at Raglan, Gwent, a fact confirmed by the heraldic stained glass panel. The arms are those of William Herbert, Earl of Pembroke, and his wife, Anne Devereux, so perhaps this is Anne herself, awaiting news of her absent husband. She knows the feeling of vulnerability that went hand in hand with power during the Wars of the Roses, with the great rewards available to the supporters of the victorious faction becoming possible attainder, exile or death when the tables turned. By allying himself to Edward, Earl of March, in 1461, and assisting him to accede the throne as Edward IV, William Herbert rose through the ranks of the English nobility at an incredible rate, to become the most powerful man in Wales when he was created Earl of Pembroke in 1468. However, on 26th July 1469, he was defeated at the battle of Edgecote while leading an army to crush 'Robin of Redesdale's' rebellion and, along with his brother, was summarily executed the following day on the orders of the Earl of Warwick. So, as she passes the time, the Lady in Graham Turner's sensitive and highly detailed painting has every reason to be concerned, for her future is inextricably linked to that of her husband and remains uncertain until he is safely returned".
From www.war-art.com/war_of_the_roses1.htm

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